<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:14px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_12975" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_12983">Abbiamo sbagliato solo una cosa. dare in mano il nostro rugby a guitti ed incapaci che hanno pensato solo a fare soldi con la forma e non la sostanza, denigrando la base e riempiendo lo stadio di tifosi che mai andrebbero a vedere una partita di campionato italiano.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_12975" dir="ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_12975" dir="ltr">Finché il rugby non sarà fatto conoscere LOCALMENTE, finché in serie C non ci saranno 200/300 persone a vedere le partite ed in Eccellenza 60.000 a vedere la finale scudetto, saremo solo "chiacchiere ed asterischi".....</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_12975" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_12975" dir="ltr">Inutile fare decine di centri di formazione se poi sono sempre genitori e volontari a portare agli allenamenti i ragazzi ed i tecnici i soliti con il pomeriggio libero.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_12975" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_12975" dir="ltr">Finché la base non avrà la forza economica per sostenersi ed una elevata capacità di insegnamento dei tecnici, visto che in Italia a scuola lo sport non si pratica, saremo sempre allo stesso punto.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_12975" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_12975" dir="ltr">Le due franchigie ci costano 10.000.000,00 di euro. Se li dividiamo per 50 centri di formazione U16 fanno 200.000,00 euro all'anno: ogni anno si potrebbe COMPRARE 1 pulmino e pagare stipendi fissi a 3 tecnici di buon livello.</div><div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_12972">&nbsp;</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_13019"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_13018">Salvatore Messina</div></div><br>  <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_13022"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_13021"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_13020"> ----- Messaggio inoltrato -----<br>  <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_13056"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Da:</span></b> Luca Oliva &lt;lucaoliver63@gmail.com&gt;<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">A:</span></b> rugbylist@rugbylist.it <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Inviato:</span></b> Mercoledì 11 Febbraio 2015 10:39<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Oggetto:</span></b> Re: [RUGBYLIST] I:  I:  R: Re:  R:  SECONDO VOI<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_13058"><br><div id="yiv7783348718"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_13057">
    Tecnicamente, la Georgia, che è 15^ nel ranking a 0,43 punti da noi
    (!!!) potrebbe anche rivendicare qualcosa nella malaugurata ipotesi
    dovesse sorpassarci.<br clear="none">
    E' vero che ora abbiamo il 6Nazioni e puta caso una vittoria in
    trasferta in Scozia (9) o una vittoria casalinga contro Francia (7)
    o Galles (6), squadre molto meglio piazzate di noi, ci darebbe un
    gran boost per risalire. <br clear="none">
    Ma già a novembre Lynn Howells, ex-tecnico della Leonessa Brescia ed
    attuale allenatore della Romania (16), citando l'ultima partita
    giocata in Georgia davanti a 62.000 spettatori (!!!!), ha chiesto
    che venisse istituito un play-off tra l'ultima classificata del
    6Nazioni e la prima classificata della European Nations Cup. <br clear="none">
    Proviamo a metterci un pò nei loro panni: in Georgia vanno 62.000
    persone (!!!!!) - immagino prevalentemente georgiane - a vedere una
    partita contro la Romania, e sono a 0,43 punti dal ranking verso di
    noi ... Beh è vero che Tiblisi non vale Roma e che la Georgia ha una
    popolazione di 5.000.000 di abitanti, ma io qualche interrogativo me
    lo porrei ... <br clear="none">
    Anche solo a livello promozionale, un bel play-off Scozia-Georgia o
    Italia-Romania varrebbe il prezzo del biglietto, no ?<br clear="none">
    Una provocazione ? Senz'altro, ma l'umilità, concetto col quale
    terminavo il mio primo intervento su questo argomento, è la chiave
    di volta da cui ripartire ...<br clear="none">
    Abbiamo sbagliato "qualcosa" in questi anni ? Lo considero possibile
    ... Prendiamone coscienza, e ripartiamo con un salutare bagno di
    umiltà ... Non potremo che giovarcene ...<br clear="none">
    <br clear="none">
    Ciao.<br clear="none">
    Luca <br clear="none">
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    <div class="yiv7783348718moz-cite-prefix">Il 11/02/2015 09:55, Salvatore Messina
      ha scritto:<br clear="none">
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      <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yiv7783348718yqt9952456071" id="yiv7783348718yqt95298"><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">
        <div dir="ltr" id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_4379"><span id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_4387">Forte????</span></div>
        <div dir="ltr" id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_4379"><span id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_4389">La pecora è un animale
            utilissimo che, fin dai primordi dell'umanità. con il suo
            allevamento ha contribuito allo sviluppo della civiltà: si
            tosa per fare la lana, si munge per il latte e con gli
            agnelli si fa un ottimo abbacchio.</span></div>
        <div dir="ltr" id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_4379"><span><br clear="none">
          </span></div>
        <div dir="ltr" id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_4379"><span id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_4707">Il "popolo del rugby" è
            utilissimo parimenti: viene tosato con i biglietti dello
            stadio per riempire le casse federali, viene munto con il
            volontariato ed i bambini contribuiscono ad aumentare il
            numero dei tesserati. In cambio gli si da un po' di guitti
            da palcoscenico e li si abbonisce con i "valori" del rugby.
            E tutti in massa senza riflettere seguono il cane pastore ma
            attenzione, al minimo sbandamento, parte subito un bel morso
            nei garretti....</span></div>
        <div dir="ltr" id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_4379"><span><br clear="none">
          </span></div>
        <div dir="ltr" id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_4379"><span id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_4708">Potevo dire pecore ma
            il "popolo del rugby" (che nel 90% dei casi di rugby capisce
            solo il terzo tempo) non mangia trifoglio ma beve birra.
            PecorONI è più consono alla stazza....&nbsp;</span><img alt="*;) occhiolino" title="*;) occhiolino" data-id="cd741ef7-10a8-20b5-905b-f2190474e473"></div>
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        <div dir="ltr" id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_4379">Veramente
          c'è qualcuno che va a vedere la partita per lo spettacolo in
          campo? Per la tensione emotiva? O per mangiare
          soppressata/salamelle, bere birra, vestirsi da carnevale e
          fare casino con gli amici?</div>
        <div dir="ltr" id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_4379">Per carità,
          ognuno fa quello che vuole ma un barbecue su un prato costa
          meno.</div>
        <div dir="ltr" id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_4379"><br clear="none">
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        <div dir="ltr" id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_4379">Sopratutto,
          se TUTTI quei 60.000 spettatori la domenica andassero a vedere
          il vero rugby, quello di base, dei nostri ragazzini delle
          giovanili o comunque del rugby veramente NAZIONALE, come fanno
          dalla Nuova Zelanda all'Irlanda. Facessero questo allora sì
          che sarebbero rugbysti che rispettano i VALORI del rugby.</div>
        <div dir="ltr" id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_4379"><br clear="none">
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        <div dir="ltr" id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_4379">Giusto per
          dare un accenno tecnico, farebbero circa 100 spettatori ogni
          domenica per ogni piccola o grande società sportiva italiana,
          che contribuirebbero con 1.000,00 euro di media, per un totale
          di circa 20.000,00 euro all'anno.</div>
        <div dir="ltr" id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_4379">In realtà le
          due franchigie in PRO12 non arrivano nemmeno a 5000 spettatori
          (????) e nel nostro campionato di Eccellenza non si arriva a
          1000.</div>
        <div dir="ltr" id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_4379"><br clear="none">
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        <div dir="ltr" id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_4379">No, non vado
          all'Olimpico perché la partita me la guardo in Club House con
          i ragazzini che alleno.</div>
        <div dir="ltr" id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_4379">No, non
          faccio carnevale perché non ho bisogno di travestirmi per
          divertirmi con gli amici.</div>
        <div dir="ltr" id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_4379">Sì bevo
          birra e quello che spendo va alle casse della piccola società
          sportiva del mio paese.</div>
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        <div id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_4378">&nbsp;</div>
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          <div id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_4374">Salvatore Messina</div>
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              <font id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_4980" face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Da:</span></b>
                S. Olandese <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv7783348718moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:olandese@pacospa.it" target="_blank" href="mailto:olandese@pacospa.it">&lt;olandese@pacospa.it&gt;</a><br clear="none">
                <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">A:</span></b>
                <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv7783348718moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:rugbylist@rugbylist.it" target="_blank" href="mailto:rugbylist@rugbylist.it">rugbylist@rugbylist.it</a> <br clear="none">
                <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Inviato:</span></b>
                Martedì 10 Febbraio 2015 12:55<br clear="none">
                <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Oggetto:</span></b>
                Re: [RUGBYLIST] I: R: Re: R: SECONDO VOI<br clear="none">
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                <div id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_4893">
                  <div id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_4927">Buongiorno
                    Salvatore</div>
                  <div id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_4922"><font id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_4921" face="Arial" size="2">....."anche quei 4 pecoroni, che vanno
                      all'olimpico a fare carnevale e bere birra"</font></div>
                  <div><font face="Arial" size="2">un pò forte non ti
                      pare? </font></div>
                  <div id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_4892"><font id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_4891" face="Arial" size="2">non discuto le tue osservazioni tecniche,
                      che spesso condivido, ne l'analisi di quello che è
                      stato fatto o di quello che "non" è stato fatto,
                      ma stavolta con quella frase credo tu sia
                      andato&nbsp;oltre dall'esprimere la propria opinione.&nbsp;</font></div>
                  <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Non per fare polemica
                      solo perchè sia chiaro il tuo pensiero
                      permettimi&nbsp;tre domande:</font></div>
                  <div id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_4923">&nbsp;</div>
                  <div><font face="Arial" size="2">non vai all'olimpico?</font></div>
                  <div id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_4894"><font face="Arial" size="2">non fai carnevale?</font></div>
                  <div><font face="Arial" size="2">non bevi birra?</font></div>
                  <div id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_4926"><font face="Arial" size="2">&nbsp;&nbsp;</font></div>
                  <div id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_4925"><font id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423642570113_4924" face="Arial" size="2">io non vado all'olimpico, solo perchè non
                      posso.</font></div>
                  <div><font face="Arial" size="2">faccio carnevale,
                      graziaddio vivo in una città famosa per il suo
                      Carnevale.</font></div>
                  <div><font face="Arial" size="2">bevo birra, mia
                      moglie a volte dice anche troppa</font></div>
                  <div>&nbsp;</div>
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                    saluti<br clear="none">
                    Salvatore Olandese</div>
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                      <div style="FONT:10pt arial;BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4;"><b>From:</b>
                        <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" title="salva.messina@yahoo.it" ymailto="mailto:salva.messina@yahoo.it" target="_blank" href="mailto:salva.messina@yahoo.it">Salvatore
                          Messina</a> </div>
                      <div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" title="rugbylist@rugbylist.it" ymailto="mailto:rugbylist@rugbylist.it" target="_blank" href="mailto:rugbylist@rugbylist.it">rugbylist@rugbylist.it</a>
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                      <div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b>
                        Tuesday, February 10, 2015 12:11 PM</div>
                      <div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>Subject:</b>
                        [RUGBYLIST] I: R: Re: R: SECONDO VOI</div>
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                        <div dir="ltr" id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423557198597_4188">Diciamo
                          che non c'erano obbligatorietà per l'attività
                          giovanile e le società che la facevano erano
                          di alto livello nazionale, con tecnici molto
                          competenti e con una selezione drastica dei
                          profili giovanili che per capacità
                          tecnico/atletiche/psicologiche non erano
                          adatti per il rugby.</div>
                        <div dir="ltr" id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423557198597_4188"><br clear="none">
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                        <div dir="ltr" id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423557198597_4188">Poi
                          in quegli anni l'Amatori Milano sponsorizzato
                          mediolanum aveva un budget elevato e si poteva
                          permettere i migliori atleti del panorama
                          mondiale ed italiano in un periodo in cui il
                          rugby era amatoriale ed i pochi soldi che
                          giravano erano spesi bene su profili di
                          tecnici e/o giocatori di comprovata capacità e
                          non su raccomandazione e comprovata lealtà
                          "politica".</div>
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                        <div dir="ltr" id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423557198597_4188">In
                          più la FIR non contava un bel nulla ed i 4
                          soldi rimediati con i tesseramenti bastavano
                          appena per pagare gli stipendi di quattro
                          gatti di dipendenti volenterosi.</div>
                        <div dir="ltr" id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423557198597_4188"><br clear="none">
                        </div>
                        <div dir="ltr" id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423557198597_4188">L'errore
                          del movimento è stato quello di aver
                          "schifato" il 6 Nazioni e non aver capito la
                          rivoluzione professionistica, che ha sconvolto
                          sopratutto l'emisfero australe (i francesi
                          erano già ricchi), lasciando tutto in mano a
                          Dondi. Il quale non ha fatto altro che tirare
                          acqua al suo mulino federale e per i club di
                          serie A (e giù via a cascata) non c'è più
                          stata trippa per gatti.</div>
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                        </div>
                        <div dir="ltr" id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423557198597_4188">Adesso
                          la situazione pare ribaltata, con una
                          federazione che si scopre senza più spinta ed
                          entusiasmo e quando finalmente anche quei 4
                          pecoroni, che vanno all'olimpico a fare
                          carnevale e bere birra capiranno che tanto
                          vale fare una scampagnata in collina che lo
                          spettacolo è lo stesso, non andranno più allo
                          stadio anche con i biglietti omaggio il
                          castello di carte cadrà.&nbsp;</div>
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                        <div dir="ltr" id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423557198597_4188">Pensiamoci
                          bene quando per investire in "immobili di
                          pregio" ci verrà chiesto il nostro voto...</div>
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                        </div>
                        <div dir="ltr" id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423557198597_4188">Se
                          il rugby italiano si deve arrangiare che lo
                          faccia da subito....&nbsp;</div>
                        <div id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423557198597_4187">&nbsp;</div>
                        <div id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423557198597_4184">
                          <div id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423557198597_4183">Salvatore
                            Messina</div>
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                            <div dir="ltr" id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423557198597_4225">-----
                              Messaggio inoltrato -----<br clear="none">
                              <font face="Arial" size="2"><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">Da:</span></b>
                                Luca Oliva
                                <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv7783348718moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:lucaoliver63@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:lucaoliver63@gmail.com">&lt;lucaoliver63@gmail.com&gt;</a><br clear="none">
                                <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">A:</span></b>
                                <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv7783348718moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:rugbylist@rugbylist.it" target="_blank" href="mailto:rugbylist@rugbylist.it">rugbylist@rugbylist.it</a> <br clear="none">
                                <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">Inviato:</span></b>
                                Martedì 10 Febbraio 2015 11:12<br clear="none">
                                <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">Oggetto:</span></b>
                                Re: [RUGBYLIST] R: Re: R: SECONDO VOI<br clear="none">
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                                <div>I talenti erano nati e cresciuti
                                  all'interno di un sistema di
                                  reclutamento e formazione totalmente
                                  impostato e gestito dai club.<br clear="none">
                                  Milan e Treviso giocavano all'interno
                                  del campionato nazionale.<br clear="none">
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                                    <div class="yiv7783348718moz-cite-prefix">Il
                                      08/02/2015 18:49, ilfalco7 ha
                                      scritto:<br clear="none">
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                                  <div id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423557198597_4503">
                                    <div id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423557198597_4502">Negli
                                      anni 90 i giocatori giocavano nel
                                      campionato nazionale. Ma erano
                                      praticamente un franchigia milan e
                                      benetton che racchiudevano il 90%
                                      dei giocatori azzurri. È che cost
                                      aveva inventato un sistrma
                                      difensivo a lungo copiato e c
                                      erano un maggior numero di
                                      talenti. I dominguez troncon
                                      vaccari giovannelli gardner
                                      giacheri properzi checchinato etc
                                      oggi non ci sono.</div>
                                    <div>Inoltre la mediana era se non
                                      la migliore tra le prime al mondo</div>
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                                    <div>
                                      <div style="COLOR:#575757;FONT-SIZE:9px;">Inviato
                                        da Samsung Mobile.</div>
                                    </div>
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                                    <br clear="none">
                                    <div>-------- Messaggio originale
                                      --------</div>
                                    <div>Da: Luca Oliva </div>
                                    <div>Data:08/02/2015 13:57
                                      (GMT+01:00) </div>
                                    <div>A: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv7783348718moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:rugbylist@rugbylist.it" target="_blank" href="mailto:rugbylist@rugbylist.it">rugbylist@rugbylist.it</a>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>Oggetto: Re: [RUGBYLIST] R:
                                      SECONDO VOI </div>
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                                    La scelta strategica che è stata
                                    fatta in questi anni è molto
                                    evidente.<br clear="none">
                                    Si è scelto di "costruire" il
                                    vertice, e di lì a cascata tutto il
                                    resto.<br clear="none">
                                    Si è partiti dalla squadra
                                    nazionale, cui è stato affidato
                                    prima un allenatore di grande
                                    professionalità arrivato
                                    dall'estero, poi uno staff
                                    altrettanto articolato e
                                    professionale. <br clear="none">
                                    Poi ci è resi conto che il numero di
                                    atleti su cui lavorare era troppo
                                    limitato, e che era necessario
                                    allargare il bacino di atleti da cui
                                    attingere per costruire la squadra.<br clear="none">
                                    Allora sono state costituite le
                                    franchigie, drenando il campionato
                                    nazionale, per avere una base
                                    allargata (60-70 atleti) da cui
                                    "pescare" per effettuare le
                                    convocazioni, atleti che fossero
                                    allenati a competere in
                                    manifestazioni di ritmo ed intensità
                                    superiori.<br clear="none">
                                    Forse però due franchigie non
                                    bastano più, e qualcuno comincia a
                                    insinuare la necessità di una terza
                                    franchigia, per aumentare la base
                                    (ma forse bisognerebbe dire il
                                    "vertice") su cui lavorare.<br clear="none">
                                    Qualcun altro comincia a porsi però
                                    un interrogativo: ma questi
                                    100-atleti-100 su cui lavorare da
                                    dove arrivano ? dai club ? dalle
                                    accademie ? qual è il sistema a cui
                                    pensiamo ?<br clear="none">
                                    Spingendo alle estreme conseguenze
                                    il paradigma finora impostato
                                    dovremmo pensare ad una serie di
                                    campionati giovanili, ma anche
                                    minori, totalmente gestiti dalla
                                    federazione, con l'unico scopo di
                                    allevare "in batteria" i futuri
                                    adepti della nazionale. <br clear="none">
                                    Un rugby totalmente staccato dalla
                                    base, cioè ai club, cui forse
                                    verrebbe demandato l'organizzazione
                                    di tornei e competizioni nel più
                                    classico stile "rugby e salsicce".
                                    Un roots rugby, dunque, buono solo
                                    per allevare tifosi della nazionale,
                                    insomma gente da stadio e da
                                    audience televisiva.<br clear="none">
                                    E' un pò questo che tutti noi ci
                                    sentiamo.<br clear="none">
                                    Esiste un'alternativa ? Certo, è
                                    restituire centralità ai club,
                                    ridare loro risorse e fiducia nella
                                    capacità di "costruire" talenti in
                                    casa da affidare poi alla crescita
                                    nelle proprie accademie o in
                                    accademie di maggiore prestigio
                                    magari all'estero ("ogni club, un
                                    accademia", potrebbe essere lo
                                    slogan). <br clear="none">
                                    Ritornare dunque ad un sistema che
                                    ha consentito comunque alla
                                    nazionale di sfornare da sempre
                                    "prestazioni onorevoli" contro le
                                    altre nazionali delle home unions e
                                    la Francia, anche prima che il
                                    confronto sistematico rendesse
                                    statisticamente più probabile questa
                                    eventualità e che ci ha consentito,
                                    in condizioni particolari, di avere
                                    una "generazione vincente", quella
                                    degli anni '90. Coloro infatti che
                                    citano gli sporadici successi della
                                    nostra nazionale e delle
                                    rappresentative giovanili negli
                                    ultimi anni non fanno altro che
                                    sottolineare il carattere episodico
                                    di tali risultati. Mai, e dico mai,
                                    negli ultimi 20 anni abbiamo avuto
                                    una generazione in grado di imporsi
                                    sui pari età delle altre nazioni
                                    europee, e dico soprattutto a
                                    livello giovanile dove non si
                                    dovrebbe ancora risentire del gap di
                                    preparazione con i campionati
                                    professionistici. <br clear="none">
                                    <br clear="none">
                                    Venendo al tuo quesito,
                                    Giandomenico, non mi sento di dire
                                    nè che siamo andati avanti nè che
                                    siamo andati indietro, semplicemente
                                    siamo rimasti al palo.<br clear="none">
                                    <br clear="none">
                                    E questo, lo ribadisco, a
                                    prescindere dal risultato della
                                    partita di ieri che, rivista oggi,
                                    evidenzia come alcune scelte diverse
                                    a livello di formazione avrebbero
                                    reso l'esito più incerto e la
                                    competizione meno frustrante. Ma
                                    parliamo sempre di "vertice",
                                    dunque, e lì sta l'errore.<br clear="none">
                                    <br clear="none">
                                    Ciao.<br clear="none">
                                    Luca <br clear="none">
                                    <br clear="none">
                                    <div class="yiv7783348718moz-cite-prefix" id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423557198597_4506">Il 08/02/2015 12:17,
                                      Gian Domenico Mazzocato ha
                                      scritto:<br clear="none">
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                                      <div class="yiv7783348718MsoNormal"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" name="_MailEndCompose" href=""><b><span style="FONT-SIZE:14pt;">Non
                                              spacchiamo il capello.<br clear="none">
                                              Facciamoci domande
                                              semplici.</span></b></a></div>
                                      <div class="yiv7783348718MsoListParagraph" id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423557198597_4509"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE:14pt;"><span>1)<span style="LINE-HEIGHT:normal;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-SIZE:7pt;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
                                              </span></span></span></b><b id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423557198597_4508"><span id="yiv7783348718yui_3_16_0_1_1423557198597_4507" style="FONT-SIZE:14pt;">Questa
                                            squadra ha una “idea” di
                                            gioco dentro? Ancora più in
                                            generale ha un’anima? È
                                            gruppo?</span></b></div>
                                      <div class="yiv7783348718MsoListParagraph"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE:14pt;"><span>2)<span style="LINE-HEIGHT:normal;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-SIZE:7pt;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
                                              </span></span></span></b><b><span style="FONT-SIZE:14pt;">Ha
                                            un progetto?</span></b></div>
                                      <div class="yiv7783348718MsoListParagraph"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE:14pt;"><span>3)<span style="LINE-HEIGHT:normal;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-SIZE:7pt;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
                                              </span></span></span></b><b><span style="FONT-SIZE:14pt;">In
                                            15 anni siamo cresciuti o
                                            andati indietro?</span></b></div>
                                      <div class="yiv7783348718MsoListParagraph"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE:14pt;"><span>4)<span style="LINE-HEIGHT:normal;FONT-VARIANT:normal;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-SIZE:7pt;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
                                              </span></span></span></b><b><span style="FONT-SIZE:14pt;">Che
                                            cosa abbiamo alle spalle di
                                            questi? Il rugby delle
                                            accademie?</span></b></div>
                                      <div class="yiv7783348718MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE:14pt;"></span></b>&nbsp;</div>
                                      <div class="yiv7783348718MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE:14pt;">Io
                                            vedo buio che di più non si
                                            può</span></b></div>
                                      <div class="yiv7783348718MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE:14pt;">gian
                                            domenico m</span></b></div>
                                      <div class="yiv7783348718MsoListParagraph"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE:14pt;"></span></b>&nbsp;</div>
                                      <div class="yiv7783348718MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE:14pt;"></span></b>&nbsp;</div>
                                      <div class="yiv7783348718MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE:13.5pt;">vieni
                                            a trovarmi nel mio sito</span></b><b><span style="FONT-SIZE:13.5pt;"><br clear="none">
                                          </span></b><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.giandomenicomazzocato.it/"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE:13.5pt;">http://www.giandomenicomazzocato.it/</span></b></a><b><span style="FONT-SIZE:13.5pt;"><br clear="none">
                                          </span></b><b><span style="FONT-SIZE:13.5pt;">i
                                            miei libri, le conferenze, </span></b><b><span style="FONT-SIZE:13.5pt;"><br clear="none">
                                          </span></b><b><span style="FONT-SIZE:13.5pt;">i
                                            miei diari di viaggio,</span></b><b><span style="FONT-SIZE:13.5pt;"><br clear="none">
                                          </span></b><b><span style="FONT-SIZE:13.5pt;">gli
                                            appuntamenti e tanto altro</span></b><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;"></span></div>
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                                            <b>Per conto di </b>Luca
                                            Oliva<br clear="none">
                                            <b>Inviato:</b> domenica 8
                                            febbraio 2015 10.32<br clear="none">
                                            <b>A:</b> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv7783348718moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:rugbylist@rugbylist.it" target="_blank" href="mailto:rugbylist@rugbylist.it">rugbylist@rugbylist.it</a><br clear="none">
                                            <b>Oggetto:</b> Re:
                                            [RUGBYLIST] SECONDO VOI</span></div>
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                                      <div class="yiv7783348718MsoNormal">&nbsp;</div>
                                      <div class="yiv7783348718MsoNormal">Nello
                                        specifico della partita,
                                        abbiamo&nbsp;"sgomberato" i punti
                                        d'incontro per avere più
                                        difensori nello spazio, in
                                        questo modo abbiamo lasciato
                                        l'iniziativa all'Irlanda nel
                                        gioco aperto. Non avendo avuto
                                        una mischia preponderante e
                                        essendo stati surclassati in
                                        touche, questo praticamente ha
                                        voluto dire non avere palloni da
                                        giocare per tutta la partita.</div>
                                      <div>
                                        <div class="yiv7783348718MsoNormal">Questa
                                          è una scelta precisa dello
                                          staff tecnico che può essere
                                          cambiata già dalla prossima
                                          partita con l'Inghilterra:
                                          mettere uno o due grilli-talpa
                                          in più nei punti di break-down
                                          per contestare il possesso e
                                          recuperare palloni. Questo
                                          comporta naturalmente di
                                          "perdere" 1-2 uomini fuori, ed
                                          è una scelta che è già stata
                                          scartata&nbsp;dal ns staff per
                                          avere più efficacia
                                          difensiva.&nbsp;Staremo a vedere
                                          ...</div>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <div class="yiv7783348718MsoNormal">&nbsp;</div>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <div class="yiv7783348718MsoNormal">In
                                          generale, il ns rimane un
                                          movimento in grado di produrre
                                          alcuni buoni giocatori che
                                          giocano all'estero, ma non un
                                          quantitativo sufficiente per
                                          competere ad alto&nbsp;livello. In
                                          questo senso, le sconfitte più
                                          gravi non sono quelle della
                                          prima squadra, che possono
                                          essere "drogate" dal lavoro su
                                          un
                                          gruppo&nbsp;super-professionalizzato,
                                          ma quelle delle
                                          rappresentative giovanili.
                                          La&nbsp;sconfitta 40-13 della
                                          nazionale Under 20 nel pantano
                                          di Biella è molto più
                                          indicativa. È lì che meglio si
                                          apprezzano le differenze a
                                          livello di costruzione e di
                                          formazione dei giocatori.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
                                      </div>
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                                        <div class="yiv7783348718MsoNormal">&nbsp;</div>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <div class="yiv7783348718MsoNormal">In
                                          sintesi, il livello del ns
                                          movimento attuale NON È da top
                                          ten&nbsp;mondiale. Dovremmo prima
                                          di tutto&nbsp;rendercene conto, e
                                          fare un bagno di umiltà. Dopo
                                          di che, forse, si può
                                          ripartire.&nbsp;</div>
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                                        <div class="yiv7783348718MsoNormal">&nbsp;</div>
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                                      <div>
                                        <div class="yiv7783348718MsoNormal">Ciao.</div>
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                                      <div>
                                        <div class="yiv7783348718MsoNormal">Luca
                                          Oliva</div>
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                                        <div class="yiv7783348718MsoNormal">&nbsp;</div>
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                                        <div class="yiv7783348718MsoNormal">Il
                                          domenica 8 febbraio 2015,
                                          Giovanni Sonego &lt;<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:giovanni@sonego.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:giovanni@sonego.net">giovanni@sonego.net</a>&gt;
                                          ha scritto:</div>
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                                            <div class="yiv7783348718MsoNormal">Giovanni
                                              Ciraolo ha scritto il
                                              07/02/2015 alle 21:50:</div>
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                                          <blockquote style="MARGIN-TOP:5pt;MARGIN-BOTTOM:5pt;">
                                            <div class="yiv7783348718MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;">Chi
                                                potrebbe lavorare sul
                                                dettaglio a mio parere è
                                                l’ex-superiore di
                                                Brunel, cioè Bernard
                                                Laporte. Più si va
                                                avanti e più mi convinco
                                                che uno come lui
                                                potrebbe riorganizzare
                                                il nostro rugby.</span></div>
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                                            E' proprio qui che ti
                                            voglio. Un buon allenatore
                                            di nazionale può rinnovare
                                            il gioco, portare idee e far
                                            ottenere dei risultati alla
                                            nazionale, ma non può
                                            riorganizzare il nostro
                                            rugby. Io sono sempre piu'
                                            convinto che la nazionale
                                            sia rappresentativa del
                                            movimento rugbyistico di un
                                            determinato paese. Nazioni
                                            che hanno un rugby forte,
                                            producono nazionali forti.
                                            Nazioni che hanno un
                                            movimento debole, producono
                                            nazionali deboli. Il nostro
                                            movimento rugbyistico forte
                                            non è di sicuro, se
                                            comparato con quello delle
                                            nazionali al vertice
                                            mondiale. E infatti le
                                            nostre nazionali fanno
                                            cagare. <br clear="none">
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                                            Cercare l'allenatore
                                            risolutore di tutti i
                                            problemi, il mago che con un
                                            colpo di bacchetta e uno di
                                            culo fa vincere un gruppo di
                                            professionisti che giocano
                                            all'estero puo' contribuire
                                            a dare un po' di diffusione
                                            mediatica. E' proprio questo
                                            il principio su cui mi
                                            sembra storicamente ispirata
                                            la gestione della
                                            federazione. Cerchiamo di
                                            ottenere i risultati della
                                            nazionale e sull'onda
                                            dell'entusiasmo arriveranno
                                            un sacco di praticanti e
                                            costruiremo un movimento
                                            solido. Bella genialata.
                                            Sono 15 anni e i risultati
                                            sono quelli che sono.
                                            Sarebbe anche ora che
                                            qualcuno se ne rendesse
                                            conto e che si cominciasse a
                                            rivedere questo approccio
                                            fallimentare.<br clear="none">
                                            <br clear="none">
                                            (Ecco cosa intendevo
                                            affermare dicendo che anche
                                            Brunel è incolpevole)<br clear="none">
                                            <br clear="none">
                                            Ciao<br clear="none">
                                            Giovanni Sonego</div>
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