<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body ><div>I risultati di verifica si potrebbero gia vedere con la 18 e la 17. Aspettiamo e avremo dei riscontri.</div><div>Spero positivi</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-size:9px;color:#575757">Inviato da Samsung Mobile.</div></div><br><br><div>-------- Messaggio originale --------</div><div>Da: Luca Oliva <lucaoliver63@gmail.com> </div><div>Data:16/02/2015  17:23  (GMT+01:00) </div><div>A: rugbylist@rugbylist.it </div><div>Oggetto: Re: [RUGBYLIST] I: R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: R: R: Re: R: I: R: I: R: I: I: I: SECONDO VOI </div><div><br></div>
    Porca miseria, mi trovo perfettamente d'accordo con te ... <span class="moz-smiley-s1"><span> :-) </span></span><br>
    Quali sono le tappe intermedie di questo percorso ?<br>
    A giudicare dai "risultati" (quelli del campo), nessuna, perchè i
    risultati sono gli stessi da almeno 10 anni a questa parte (scusate
    non vado più indietro, così a memoria) ... e cioè più o meno da
    quando è stata istituita l'Accademia Nazionale di Tirrenia ...<br>
    Però magari ci sono "altri" obbiettivi da verificare ...<br>
    <br>
    Ciao.<br>
    Luca <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Il 16/02/2015 17:17, Salvatore Messina
      ha scritto:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote cite="mid:1883588422.7947409.1424103439468.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com" type="cite">
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        <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_9878" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_9923">Dispiace leggere certe
            cose da tecnici e tecnici che lavorano a buon livello....
            D'altronde se da noi ci sono dei problemi di sviluppo un
            motivo ci sarà...</span></div>
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_9878" dir="ltr"><span><br>
          </span></div>
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_9878" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_10224">Dire che i risultati
            si vedranno alla fine del ciclo è un po' come rispondere
            alla domanda "Quando Marco Polo arriverà in CIna?" con
            "Quando sarà arrivato!". E se invece arriva in Guatemala?
            Beh allora avrà sbagliato strada....</span></div>
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_9878" dir="ltr"><span><br>
          </span></div>
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_9878" dir="ltr">Lavorare per
          obiettivi significa innanzitutto avere degli obiettivi
          raggiungibili ma anche verificabili e questo significa che ci
          sono delle tappe da rispettare e delle valutazioni da fare
          durante il percorso e se queste tappe non sono state raggiunte
          si DEVE cambiare percorso se non addirittura l'obiettivo.</div>
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        </div>
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_9878" dir="ltr">Che
          verifiche sono state fatte sul lavoro di formazione giovanile?
          Io non sono un addetto ai lavori ma se guardo ai risultati le
          tappe non sono state raggiunte e si doveva già cambiare
          percorso.</div>
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_9875">&nbsp;</div>
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_10847">
          <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_10846">Salvatore Messina</div>
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        <br>
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          Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_10850">
          <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue,
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            <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_10848"> -----
              Messaggio inoltrato -----<br>
              <font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_10851" face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Da:</span></b>
                Luca Oliva <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lucaoliver63@gmail.com">&lt;lucaoliver63@gmail.com&gt;</a><br>
                <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">A:</span></b>
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rugbylist@rugbylist.it">"rugbylist@rugbylist.it"</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rugbylist@rugbylist.it">&lt;rugbylist@rugbylist.it&gt;</a>
                <br>
                <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Inviato:</span></b>
                Sabato 14 Febbraio 2015 12:53<br>
                <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Oggetto:</span></b>
                Re: [RUGBYLIST] R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: R: R:
                Re: R: I: R: I: R: I: I: I: SECONDO VOI<br>
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            <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_10854"><br>
              <div id="yiv3678568517">
                <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_10853"><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;">Nessuna ironia
                    nè senso di catastrofe ...</span>
                  <div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_10852">Non mi
                    interessa il confronto con i pari età inglesi
                    dell'under 20, mi sono dispiaciuti di più i 47 punti
                    presi con l'Irlanda ...</div>
                  <div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;">Continuo
                    però a predicare umiltà, e una revisione del sistema
                    delle Accademie.</div>
                  <div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;">Non può che
                    farci bene&nbsp;</div>
                </div>
                <div class="yiv3678568517gmail_extra" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_10856"><br>
                  <div class="yiv3678568517gmail_quote" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_10855">Il giorno 14
                    febbraio 2015 12:52, Luca Oliva <span dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_10870">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:lucaoliver63@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:lucaoliver63@gmail.com" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_10869">lucaoliver63@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
                    ha scritto:<br>
                    <blockquote class="yiv3678568517gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
                      solid;padding-left:1ex;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_10858">
                      <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_10857">Nessuna
                        ironia nè senso di catastrofe ...
                        <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_10859">Non
                          mi interessa il confronto con i pari età
                          inglesi dell'under 20, mi sono dispiaciuti di
                          più i 47 punti presi con l'Irlanda ...</div>
                        <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_10860">Continuo
                          però a predicare umiltà, e una revisione del
                          sistema delle Accademie.</div>
                        <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_10861">Non
                          può che farci bene&nbsp;</div>
                      </div>
                      <div class="yiv3678568517gmail_extra" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_10862"><br>
                        <div class="yiv3678568517gmail_quote" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1424102205081_10863">Il
                          giorno 14 febbraio 2015 08:54, ilfalco7 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:ilfalco7@libero.it" target="_blank" href="mailto:ilfalco7@libero.it">ilfalco7@libero.it</a>&gt;</span>
                          ha scritto:<br>
                          <blockquote class="yiv3678568517gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px
                            #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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                                  <div>Èh si è davvero dura. Campioni
                                    del mondo in carica.....ma questa
                                    nazionale è la meno forte degli
                                    ulrimi anni ed è anche l anno del
                                    mondiale in casa nostra</div>
                                  <span>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <div style="font-size:9px;color:#575757;">Inviato
                                        da Samsung Mobile.</div>
                                    </div>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                    <div>-------- Messaggio originale
                                      --------</div>
                                    <div>Da: Luca Oliva </div>
                                  </span>
                                  <div>Data:13/02/2015 23:37 (GMT+01:00)
                                  </div>
                                  <div>A: <a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:rugbylist@rugbylist.it" target="_blank" href="mailto:rugbylist@rugbylist.it">rugbylist@rugbylist.it</a>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>Oggetto: Re: [RUGBYLIST] R: Re:
                                    R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: R: R: Re: R: I:
                                    R: I: R: I: I: I: SECONDO VOI </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      Peccato, però questa è proprio la
                                      notizia che non avrei mai voluto
                                      leggere stasera ...<br>
                                      <br>
                                      <a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.onrugby.it/2015/02/13/sei-nazioni-u20-plymouth-e-marea-inglese-italia-ko-61-0/">http://www.onrugby.it/2015/02/13/sei-nazioni-u20-plymouth-e-marea-inglese-italia-ko-61-0/</a><br>
                                      <br>
                                      <div>Il 13/02/2015 17:57, Luca
                                        Oliva ha scritto:<br>
                                      </div>
                                      <blockquote type="cite"> Chapeau
                                        ... !!!<br>
                                        <br>
                                        <div>Il 13/02/2015 17:53,
                                          ilfalco7 ha scritto:<br>
                                        </div>
                                        <blockquote type="cite">
                                          <div>In questo paese l
                                            integrità o la verita dpende
                                            dall etica di una persona.
                                            Purtroppo non dal lavoro che
                                            fa</div>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <div style="font-size:9px;color:#575757;">Inviato
                                              da Samsung Mobile.</div>
                                          </div>
                                          <br>
                                          <br>
                                          <div>-------- Messaggio
                                            originale --------</div>
                                          <div>Da: Luca Oliva </div>
                                          <div>Data:13/02/2015 17:47
                                            (GMT+01:00) </div>
                                          <div>A: <a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:rugbylist@rugbylist.it" target="_blank" href="mailto:rugbylist@rugbylist.it">rugbylist@rugbylist.it</a>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>Oggetto: Re: [RUGBYLIST]
                                            R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: R: R:
                                            Re: R: I: R: I: R: I: I: I:
                                            SECONDO VOI </div>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          Dai era una battuta ... Credo
                                          che se un sistema è buono, i
                                          risultati si vedono subito,
                                          poi ci vuole un ciclo o due
                                          per completarli e portarli a
                                          termine, come mi stai
                                          giustamente dicendo tu ...<br>
                                          Ci mancherebbe altro mettere
                                          in dubbio l'onestà di un
                                          dipendente della Polizia di
                                          Stato !!! :) <br>
                                          <br>
                                          Comunque se il discorso
                                          impostato sulle Accademie è
                                          corretto, qualche risultato si
                                          dovrebbe vedere da subito ...
                                          Stiamo a vedere ...<br>
                                          Io resto favorevole a un
                                          sistema diverso ma,
                                          giustamente, non sono io in
                                          sella ...<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Ciao !!!! <br>
                                          Luca <br>
                                          <br>
                                          <div>Il 13/02/2015 17:39,
                                            ilfalco7 ha scritto:<br>
                                          </div>
                                          <blockquote type="cite">
                                            <div>No? Epperchemai!!&nbsp;</div>
                                            <div>La prendo a ridere ma
                                              non è carino dire che non
                                              sono stato onesto.</div>
                                            <div>Allora da fuori dimmi
                                              tu quando</div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>
                                              <div style="font-size:9px;color:#575757;">Inviato
                                                da Samsung Mobile.</div>
                                            </div>
                                            <br>
                                            <br>
                                            <div>-------- Messaggio
                                              originale --------</div>
                                            <div>Da: Luca Oliva </div>
                                            <div>Data:13/02/2015 17:32
                                              (GMT+01:00) </div>
                                            <div>A: <a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:rugbylist@rugbylist.it" target="_blank" href="mailto:rugbylist@rugbylist.it">rugbylist@rugbylist.it</a>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>Oggetto: Re:
                                              [RUGBYLIST] R: Re: R: Re:
                                              R: R: Re: R: I: R: I: R:
                                              I: I: I: SECONDO VOI </div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            No :) <br>
                                            <br>
                                            <div>Il 13/02/2015 17:31,
                                              ilfalco7 ha scritto:<br>
                                            </div>
                                            <blockquote type="cite">
                                              <div>Dopo tre anni .</div>
                                              <div>Dopo ma un conto è
                                                risalare dalla b in a.</div>
                                              <div>Un conto vincere a
                                                livello internazionale.&nbsp;</div>
                                              <div>Per il mio lavoro si
                                                trattava di azzerare
                                                tutto proporre una nuova
                                                strategia rifondare un
                                                club, cercare gli uomini
                                                e i giocatori giusti.</div>
                                              <div>Difficile ma piu
                                                rapido.</div>
                                              <div>Con il settore
                                                giovanile che siamo
                                                partiti da zero i
                                                risultati sono
                                                cominciati ad arrivare l
                                                anno scorso dopo 7 anni
                                                e saranno completi,
                                                spero tra due quindo 9 o
                                                10.</div>
                                              <div>Questi sono i tempi
                                                per arrivare al vertice.</div>
                                              <div>Ti sono sembrato
                                                abbastanza onesto?!!!</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <div style="font-size:9px;color:#575757;">Inviato
                                                  da Samsung Mobile.</div>
                                              </div>
                                              <br>
                                              <br>
                                              <div>-------- Messaggio
                                                originale --------</div>
                                              <div>Da: Luca Oliva </div>
                                              <div>Data:13/02/2015 17:18
                                                (GMT+01:00) </div>
                                              <div>A: <a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:rugbylist@rugbylist.it" target="_blank" href="mailto:rugbylist@rugbylist.it">rugbylist@rugbylist.it</a>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>Oggetto: Re:
                                                [RUGBYLIST] R: Re: R: R:
                                                Re: R: I: R: I: R: I: I:
                                                I: SECONDO VOI </div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              Anni di lavoro ...
                                              L'importante è spostare
                                              sempre avanti l'asticella
                                              ... Così nessuno può mai
                                              fare una verifica seria
                                              dei risultati ... <br>
                                              Tu alle FF.OO. dopo quanti
                                              anni ha visto i risultati
                                              del tuo lavoro ?<br>
                                              Risposta onesta ..<br>
                                              <br>
                                              Ciao.<br>
                                              Luca <br>
                                              <br>
                                              <div>Il 13/02/2015 17:03,
                                                ilfalco7 ha scritto:<br>
                                              </div>
                                              <blockquote type="cite">
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>Una rondine non fa
                                                  primavera. Speriamo
                                                  nei risultati x i
                                                  ragazzi che davvero si
                                                  impegnano.</div>
                                                <div>Ma x una verifica
                                                  del lavoro servono
                                                  anni di risultati. A
                                                  mio parere pero le
                                                  nazionali junior fanno
                                                  troppo poca attivita
                                                  internazionale.&nbsp;</div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <div style="font-size:9px;color:#575757;">Inviato
                                                    da Samsung Mobile.</div>
                                                </div>
                                                <br>
                                                <br>
                                                <div>-------- Messaggio
                                                  originale --------</div>
                                                <div>Da: Luca Oliva </div>
                                                <div>Data:13/02/2015
                                                  12:37 (GMT+01:00) </div>
                                                <div>A: <a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:rugbylist@rugbylist.it" target="_blank" href="mailto:rugbylist@rugbylist.it">rugbylist@rugbylist.it</a>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>Oggetto: Re:
                                                  [RUGBYLIST] R: R: Re:
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                                                Dei 56 convocati per le
                                                nazionali under 17 e 18
                                                questa è la
                                                distribuzione
                                                "regionale":<br>
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                                                <table style="border-collapse:collapse;width:144pt;" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="192">
                                                  <colgroup><col style="width:107pt;" width="142"> <col style="width:37pt;" width="50"> </colgroup><tbody>
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                                                      <td style="height:15.0pt;width:107pt;" height="20" width="142">regione</td>
                                                      <td style="width:37pt;" width="50">tot</td>
                                                    </tr>
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                                                      <td style="height:15.0pt;" height="20">Veneto</td>
                                                      <td>20</td>
                                                    </tr>
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                                                      <td style="height:15.0pt;" height="20">Lombardia</td>
                                                      <td>10</td>
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                                                      <td style="height:15.0pt;" height="20">Lazio</td>
                                                      <td>7</td>
                                                    </tr>
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                                                      <td style="height:15.0pt;" height="20">Abruzzo</td>
                                                      <td>4</td>
                                                    </tr>
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                                                      <td style="height:15.0pt;" height="20">Campania</td>
                                                      <td>3</td>
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